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09:01:02:07 09:01:28:24
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09:01:32:25 09:02:03:29
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[Could you
define creativity?]
Creativity is, um, I don’t really spend a whole lot
of time thinking about defining creativity, but, as I understand it,
creativity is defined by people like the Creative Problem Solving
Institute or the Creative Education Foundation as a new connection or a
new application that is useful. That
is kind of like the working definition of creativity which is it has to
have novelty to have use. If
it’s new and it’s useful, it’s creative.
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09:02:06:08 09:03:08:25
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[How do you use
creativity?]
Well the idea with the use of creativity is…there
is nothing more powerful than novelty.
There is nothing more powerful than coming up with something new,
something that is different, that will break through all the messages that
you’re receiving. And so,
you have to remember that I work with radio stations, so what we do is
make sure that we’re coming up with new ideas, different ideas to help
our advertisers, our clients, breakthrough and define themselves as
different. The other thing
that we do is creativity is used to come up with new ways for a radio
station, for instance, to promote itself.
Creativity is used to come with new ways for a morning team to come
up with bits or funny things to say in the morning.
So creativity is very much of an applied process in the radio
business because it’s a very important part of the business itself.
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09:03:22:22 09:04:22:05
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[Can
you give us examples of how creativity has helped business?]
If we were to measure…if we did a survey the people
in this room, or the people watching this tape, we would probably discover
that they are as creative as each other. Actually, if there were a
reliable way to actually measure it, we would probably discover that
we’re as creative as each other. The
thing that makes the difference is when you get people who are actually
applying it, or putting some enthusiasm behind it…who are turning it
into a habit. And so I wanted
to say that at the outset because the examples are many and what’s
exciting and what you need to pay attention to is that what we need people
who see it as a tool like every other tool and if they basically make that
part of their habit, make that an arrow in their quiver, then basically
they can summon creativity.
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09:04:22:05 09:04:46:08
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So I want to separate creativity from the creative
problem solving process. Creativity
might be something innate, something that you’re born with, something
you develop as you grow. But
the creative problem solving process is steps that you follow.
It’s very simple, you take the following steps and at the end you
will have a more creative output simply because it’s new and it’s
useful.
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09:04:46:08 09:05:58:27
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So, how do we use creativity? We use creativity to help a bank to come up with better
ways to get small businesses to open business accounts with a bank.
We use creativity to help a beer company generate more sales at
their key accounts. You know
beer companies, several companies, but beer companies especially, have
something they call key accounts, which are specific clubs or specific
places that are very important to them. And so one of the ways that we use the creative problem
solving process is to come up with ideas for them and how to build
relationships with their key accounts.
We use creativity to help hospitals set themselves apart from each
other. In a highly
competitive environment, like the hospital industry, these people, these
companies, these hospitals need ways to help remind you that they are
different from their competitors. And
that is how we use the creative problem solving process.
You have to remember that radio stations and television stations
and advertising agencies are in the business of helping their clients
become different. That’s how we use it, that’s what we do everyday.
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09:06:10:28 09:06:44:25
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[Why do you
think everyone is creative?]
I’ve been training people for about 15 years now
and one of the most recurring comments that I get after I finish a session
or a workshop is that ‘I never considered myself creative.’
And so what happens is people are surprised by the output that
they’re getting when they follow the process.
And so that’s why I know that even though they do not perceive
themselves as being innately creative all you have to do is put them
through some steps and they’re going to come up with some new stuff, new
ideas.
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09:06:54:20
09:07:49:12
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[How do you
teach CPS to your clients?]
The Osborn-Parnes Method, the creative problem
solving process is very flexible and is very simple.
What we have done is adapted it to the radio industry or the
television industry so that the language that we use makes sense for that
business. But the process is the same.
So all we’ve have is taken steps of the process from mess finding
or wish finding all the way down to acceptance, we have changed the words
so that they’re more vernacular, so that people are more willing to
accept them and then we’ve created some workbooks, we do workshops, and
we will go to the radio station and consult.
The other thing that we do that is very dramatic is we’ll
actually brainstorm for a client so that the radio station is learning the
process but they’re also getting an outcome for a client, which makes
them money.
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09:08:23:13
09:09:28:23
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[Can you give us an
example of an “‘Aha’” moment?]
I was riding in the car with my daughter once…she
had one of my workbooks. It
was in the car. She’s
sitting there, we’re driving and she just grabs the workbook and she
decides that she is going to fill it out.
She is going to follow the process, almost as a joke…filling out
the questions in the workbook. It
was very funny to watch her, A. be this interested and goofing around with
it. Then the minute she
identified a real problem that she was really was interested in, all of a
sudden she is actually doing it and she is a lot more interested in it,
she’s leaning forward and coming up with ideas.
And she’s enjoying the ideas she is coming up with.
In the end she comes up with an idea she likes and a solution she
likes and creates a plan of action. She
did all of this while we were riding in the car.
It was just very funny because I never instructed her, she was
never part of a workshop, but it was very funny to see her become
interested because she owned it. I guess that was an ‘aha’ to see my
13 year old get into it.
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09:09:47:17
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[Can you define
ownership?]
As you will see the more you experience the process,
actually any problem solving process really depends on the problem owner.
You need someone who cares about the outcome.
Without that the process lacks meaning.
So that’s what I mean by ownership.
When you’re working with this process you have to make sure that
there is someone with a stake in the outcome.
Because if there isn’t a person who has a stake in the outcome,
the likelihood is that A. nothing will happen and B. there won’t be any
enthusiasm in it. So you need
a problem owner.
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09:10:54:18
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[Take #2 – ownership]
This process is meaningless without
interest…meaningless, it’s hollow, it’s just a process.
But, when there’s interest, when somebody really cares about the
outcome, when there’s somebody who really needs help, when there’s
somebody who says ‘I really need an imaginative solution because I have
no idea what to do here.’ That’s when the process comes alive,
that’s when the process matters, that’s when ideas improve, that’s
when you come up with more important problems.
That’s when you increase the likelihood that somebody is going to
take action. So, this entire
process is deflated without interest, without a problem owner.
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09:11:56:23
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[How does CPS
help?]
The creative problem solving process is a tool.
And if you just make the decision that we’re going to use that
tool the outcomes are inevitable.
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09:13:24:05
09:14:00:29
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[Can you
define acceptance finding and give an example?]
Acceptance basically means let’s be sure we are
getting our solution accepted. That
we get people excited about it that we make it big, that we make it
important, that we make it interesting and that we actually create a plan
of action – that something is actually going to happen because of it.
So that ‘s really what acceptance means.
Let’s develop this idea so that we can make it as good as it can
be. And, I want to tell you
that it is an incredibly powerful and important part of this process that
is way too often neglected. Very
few people really carry it all the way through acceptance.
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09:14:14:29
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[Do they own the
plan of action?]
Ownership is about owning everything.
It’s about owning the problem, it’s about owning the ideas,
it’s about owning the criteria you’re going to use to select your
solution, it’s about owning the actions that you’re going to take.
So, yes, a plan of action is essential and it’s the logical
conclusion to the acceptance finding step.
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09:15:25:18
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[Example
of acceptance finding?]
I work with a radio station that has a client that is
a dairy. The dairy came to
the radio station, they already had a solution.
So, they didn’t need the front end of the process, they didn’t
need the radio station to identify a problem, they didn’t even need the
radio station to conduct a brainstorming session to come up with an idea.
They came in and said ‘here’s our solution, we’re trying to
celebrate our anniversary and we want you guys to give us some help.
All the radio station did was the final step of the process. Basically they did acceptance finding, and they did the
action planning. The client ,
the dairy was completely blown away.
What happens in acceptance finding is you begin by visualizing it.
So what do they do…they sit around a table and they say to
everybody, ‘OK, we’re going to celebrate the anniversary for this
dairy. I want everybody to
close their eyes and I want you to visualize this party. What do you see at the party, who is at the party, what’s
happening, how are we celebrating it?
And now people begin to make a list – that’s what acceptance
finding is – you begin to make up a list of the different things you
would do to make that solution the best it could ever be.
Well, the client was, as I said earlier, completely blown away,
they loved the ideas they came up with.
They couldn’t wait to begin their plan of action.
And the radio station ended up with $35,000-$40,000 in business
from this dairy that didn’t really intend to spend any money with them
initially until they needed that kind of help.
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09:16:57:25
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(how CPS becomes
apart of a company)
You have to realize that when a company, whatever
company that is, uses a tool like creative problem solving and it becomes
part of their culture, it becomes part of what they do, it is a way for
the company to position itself as a great source of solutions. Do you see what I mean?
And so when you’re in an organization and the organization
becomes known for it’s solutions, it’s a tool that now transcends
whether or not you did the brainstorming sessions.
It’s a tool that helps you position your company.
You know, companies like IBM, Microsoft and companies like that,
when they work with other companies, with vendors, they call them solution
providers. That’s how they
refer to their vendors. And,
I think that is a very insightful way to describe a vendor.
A vendor should be a solution provider. Well, if you’re a solution provider, you should have a
process that generates great solutions.
And that’s all creative problem solving is.
It’s a reliable, repeatable, visible process that generates
marketing or solutions to any problem.
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09:18:22:03
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09:19:24:19
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[What
is a good time frame for brainstorming session?]
A good time frame for a brainstorming session really
depends on the problem that you’re trying to solve. Probably a brainstorming session, a creative problem
solving session should last a couple of hours.
I have done creative problem solving sessions that last longer, but
you have to realize that if you’re working on something, like, for
instance, a strategic plan for a company where there’s millions of
dollars at stake, you may want to take a little bit more time…you may
want to take a day or two. But
if you’re trying to solve a problem that has less repercussions or
trying to solve a problem that is a little bit simpler, well you should
expect to maybe have a session that lasts an hour or two.
It depends on the problem.
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09:20:17:23
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[Who
influenced you the most in CPS?]
Sid Parnes is the Parnes half of the Osborn-Parnes
Method. He is a very clear
thinking, unassuming, uncomplicated person, who manages this process in a
very elegant and simple and powerful way.
And every time I watch him work I am amazed at how simple and
uncomplicated he makes this appear. He’s
been a great influence on me, because, like I said, every time I see him
work, I am jealous of how elegantly he manages the process. And he goes from one step to the other in a very natural
and organic sort of way. So,
he’s a big influence.
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09:21:36:15
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[Would
you define deferral of judgment?]
Deferring judgment is a habit. Deferring judgment, the way I describe it…when you’re
conducting a CPS session, when you’re conducting a brainstorming, all
you’re doing is making lists and making choices.
That’s it! That’s
all this process is. You make
a list of possibilities and then you choose the ones that make sense.
You do that throughout the process.
You do that to identify the problem.
You do that to generate ideas.
You do that choose the criteria.
You do that to create a plan of action.
So, at every step, you’re making lists and making choices. It’s
a habit. Let’s suppose I’m working on a problem, whatever it is,
it doesn’t matter. Let’s
say you and I are going to decide where we’re going to dinner tonight.
What typically happens between two people is you’ll say, ‘where
do you want to go for dinner?’ And
I’ll say let’s go to an Italian restaurant.
And you’ll say, “well, no. See we already ate Italian the other
day.” And now you’re involved in an argument.
Or at least you’re involved in a discussion; you’re wasting
time. If instead, I said to
you, ‘where do you want to go to dinner?’ And you said, ‘OK, we can
go Chinese, we can go Italian, we can go Greek, there’s a Thai
restaurant down the street. We
can go to McDonald’s, we can go the Burger King.
Do you know what you’re doing?
You’re creating a menu – you’re creating a list.
Now it’s very simple for me to say, ‘let’s go to the third
one.’ So, what’s
deferring judgment? Deferring
judgment is allowing the creation of a list without interrupting it.
So, if we’re considering places we’re going to go on vacation,
let me just make a list of all the places we could go on vacation and
don’t interrupt me. We’ll
get to choose together later. If we’re trying to think of
what we’re going to do with this building, if we’re designing a building.
Let me make a list of all the different things that we can do with
each room. Later on we’ll
decide the ones that make sense. So,
that’s deferring. Deferring
judgment is a habit of making lists and making choices.
That’s all it is
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[Define
tolerance for ambiguity]
A tolerance for ambiguity is the ability for you to
have conflicting statements on that list.
We were talking about the fact that one of the fundamental truths
about CPS or brainstorming is making a list and making choices.
A tolerance for ambiguity is – let’s pretend we’re in a
meeting – or let’s pretend that the two of us are talking.
And we’re trying to solve a problem. And
I say to you, ‘you know what we ought, is we ought to sell this place.
We ought to sell the house. And
you say, ‘no, I think what we ought to do is, we ought to not sell it,
we ought to refurbish it. We
ought to paint it.’ When
you’re conducting a brainstorming session, these two ideas get written
down. And even though they
are in conflict, they live together on that list.
So, what’s a tolerance for ambiguity?
A tolerance for ambiguity is when you can have things on the list,
that appear to conflict with each other and you’re not uncomfortable
with that. Because , you
realize that all you have to do is make a list and later on you’re going
to choose the appropriate one, so they don’t have to all agree with each
other. I want you to think of it like a menu.
Think of how difficult it would be if you went to restaurant to
show you. All CPS does, all brainstorming does is creates a menu,
then you pick, then creates another menu, then you pick, creates another
menu, and then you choose. That’s
really all it is. And what
you need to do is, you need to tolerate the fact that I going to have two
items on the menu that you may not like.
But, they’re still on the menu and you get to choose later.
So, that’s deferring judgment and tolerance for ambiguity.
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[Favorite
examples of using CPS]
Several of the radio stations that I have worked with
have done brainstorming sessions, CPS sessions for beer companies, for
beverages…there is just a number of stories about how they have been
able to come up with ideas for those companies that have really amazed the
client - there really is no other word for it – is how the clients are
amazed, for two reasons. A.
Because sometimes what happens with creativity, with word creative is
that, when you think of the word creative, you think of George Lucas, you
think of Picasso, you think of Mozart, you think of people like that,
Steven Spielberg. And what
happens is that the word has all kinds of baggage that implies
eccentricity and genius. I
think what happens with that word is that then it makes it seem
impractical, it makes it seem like it’s distant from you, like it’s
not accessible to you. And,
so the reason that I say that clients end up amazed is because in their
mind, this is stuff that only geniuses or very unusual eccentric people
can do. And all of a sudden they come into a business meeting…they are
sitting around a table with business people, dressed like business people,
who go through a very simple, visible process, there is nothing mysterious
about and come up with an idea that they never would have dreamed of.
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[Another example]
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[Define
the process you teach?]
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